Kiss life as we know it good-bye!

[coondawg1972]

I for one am a jesus freak and know one thing for sure a nation that does not support Israel is doomed and that my friends is strait from the word of God. If you think Barack is a supporter of Israel, then you truly are blind and need to grow up quick. Once the foundation is cracked the house will fall, and Americas foundation just had a huge crack form in it. This is mostly my opinion, but i refuse to follow anyone who does not follow the Lord.

[Big Horn Posse]

Larry forgive me for cussing here, but you are an ass!! I think all parents should be worried about what is yet to come with this liberal mindset that is reeking havvoc on our youngsters. Kids today are not accountable for their actions and they feel as Nolte put it are entitled to everything. I think this country needs more traditional conservative views and morals than what we are heading for in the upcoming years. I do not know if you are a parent, but too many parents are in a fact "LAZY" when raising kids because of their liberal views!!

[Plott Proud]

Why doesn't everybody hope for the best and look at the good that can come. I would hope that the new president has bigger problems to worry about than what guns are in your closet . After reading these posts I would have to say that there are quite a few extremist hound doggers out there.

I for one, do hope for the best. As well as congratulate President elect Obama on his win.
This however doesn't diminish my common sensical thinking of Mr. Obama's Socialistic platform.

You don't think Obama wants your guns? Look at this;


Obama will nominate the kind of judges who will be inclined to limit individual liberty in order to achieve collectivist social goals. They will believe that individuals must sacrifice personal freedom in order to create someone else's idea of a better world. They will see the right to own and enjoy personal property as something evil.



This year's Supreme Court case about firearms rights illustrates this viewpoint. In this case, gun control advocates tried to claim that individual rights do not exist. Instead, they attempted to say that there are only "collective rights" of the American people as a whole - as they define them.



This was the actual used by Obama's allies to try to say that the Second Amendment does not apply to you and me, but only to an undefined "us."



Obama has claimed that he is not opposed to firearms ownership and hunting. We believe he is not telling the truth, and is really saying that he is not opposed to his definition of acceptable firearms ownership and hunting.



His track record as an Illinois state senator shows this clearly, and we are indebted to Illinois State Rifle Association Executive Director Richard Pearson for making this important information available to the voters. He was the ISRA's chief lobbyist during the years when Obama was a state senator in Illinois.



Here are excerpts from Pearson's account of Obama:

"I lobbied Barack Obama extensively while he was an Illinois State Senator. As a result of that experience, I know Obama's attitudes toward guns and gun owners better than anyone. The truth be told, in all my years in the Capitol I have never met a legislator who harbors more contempt for the law-abiding firearm owner than does Barack Obama."

"Although Obama claims to be an advocate for the 2nd Amendment, his voting record in the Illinois Senate paints a very different picture. While a state senator, Obama voted for a bill that would ban nearly every hunting rifle, shotgun and target rifle owned by Illinois citizens. That same bill would authorize the state police to raid homes of gun owners to forcibly confiscate banned guns. Obama supported a bill that would shut down law-abiding firearm manufacturers including Springfield Armory, Armalite, Rock River Arms and Les Baer. Obama also voted for a bill that would prohibit law-abiding citizens from purchasing more than one gun per month."

"Without a doubt, Barack Obama has proven himself to be an enemy of the law abiding firearm owner. At the same time, Obama has proven himself to be a friend to the hardened criminal. While a state senator, Obama voted 4 times against legislation that would allow a homeowner to use a firearm in defense of home and family."

"Does Barack Obama still sound to you like a "friend" of the law-abiding gun owner?"

"And speaking of friends, you can always tell a person by the company they keep. Obama counts among his friends the Rev. Michael Pfleger - a renegade Chicago priest who has openly called for the murder of gun shop owners and pro-gun legislators. Then there is his buddy Richard Daley, the mayor of Chicago who has declared that if it were up to him, nobody would be allowed to own a gun. And let's not forget Obama's pal George Soros - the guy who has pumped millions of dollars into the UN's international effort to disarm law-abiding citizens."

"Obama has shown that he is more than willing to use other people's money to fund his campaign to take your guns away from you. While a board member of the leftist Joyce Foundation, Barack Obama wrote checks for tens of millions of dollars to extremist gun control organizations such as the Illinois Council Against Handgun Violence and the Violence Policy Center."

Look at this too.


Hi Everyone, We have had a lot of email into GunsAmerica and especially into our MySpace about voting for Barack Obama for president.


Setting aside the socialist policy issues, and "spreading the money around" that you work for, everyone should be very clear about where Barack Obama stands on guns.


This was taken from http://www.gunbanobama.com/ which is an NRA-ILA project, and it is available in PDF form at: http://www.nraila.org/media/PDFs/2008Obamafactsht.pdf


FACT: Barack Obama opposes four of the five Supreme Court justices who affirmed an individual right to keep and bear arms. He voted against the confirmation of Alito and Roberts and he has stated he would not have appointed Thomas or Scalia.17


FACT: Barack Obama voted for an Illinois State Senate bill to ban and confiscate "assault weapons," but the bill was so poorly crafted, it would have also banned most semi-auto and single and double barrel shotguns commonly used by sportsmen.18


FACT: Barack Obama voted to allow reckless lawsuits designed to bankrupt the firearms industry.1


FACT: Barack Obama wants to re-impose the failed and discredited Clinton Gun Ban.15


FACT: Barack Obama voted to ban almost all rifle ammunition commonly used for hunting and sport shooting.3


FACT: Barack Obama has endorsed a 500% increase in the federal excise tax on firearms and ammunition.9


FACT: Barack Obama has endorsed a complete ban on handgun ownership.2


FACT: Barack Obama supports local gun bans in Chicago, Washington, D.C., and other cities.4


FACT: Barack Obama voted to uphold local gun bans and the criminal prosecution of people who use firearms in self-defense.5


FACT: Barack Obama supports gun owner licensing and gun registration.6


FACT: Barack Obama refused to sign a friend-of-the-court Brief in support of individual Second Amendment rights in the Heller case.


FACT: Barack Obama opposes Right to Carry laws.7


FACT: Barack Obama was a member of the Board of Directors of the Joyce Foundation, the leading source of funds for anti-gun organizations and "research."8


FACT: Barack Obama supported a proposal to ban gun stores within 5 miles of a school or park, which would eliminate almost every gun store in America.9


FACT: Barack Obama voted not to notify gun owners when the state of Illinois did records searches on them.10


FACT: Barack Obama voted against a measure to lower the Firearms Owners Identification card age minimum from 21 to 18, a measure designed to assist young people in the military.11


FACT: Barack Obama favors a ban on standard capacity magazines.12


FACT: Barack Obama supports mandatory micro-stamping.13


FACT: Barack Obama supports mandatory waiting periods.2


FACT: Barack Obama supports repeal of the Tiahrt Amendment, which prohibits information on gun traces collected by the BATFE from being used in reckless lawsuits against firearm dealers and manufacturers.14


FACT: Barack Obama supports one-gun-a-month handgun purchase restrictions.16


FACT: Barack Obama supports a ban on inexpensive handguns.9


FACT: Barack Obama supports a ban on the resale of police issued firearms, even if the money is going to police departments for replacement equipment.9


FACT: Barack Obama supports mandatory firearm training requirements for all gun owners and a ban on gun ownership for persons under the age of 21.9


1. United States Senate, S. 397, vote number 219, July 29, 2005. ( http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/r ... vote=00219 )


2. Independent Voters of Illinois/Independent Precinct Organization general candidate questionnaire, Sept. 9, 1996. The responses on this survey were described in "Obama had greater role on liberal survey," Politico, March 31, 2008. ( http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0308/9269.html)


3. United States Senate, S. 397, vote number 217, Kennedy amendment July 29, 2005. ( http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/r ... vote=00217 )


4. David Wright, Ursula Fahy and Sunlen Miller, "Obama: 'Common Sense Regulation' On Gun Owners' Rights," ABC News' "Political Radar" Blog, http://blogs.abcnews.com, 2/15/08. ( http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar ... on-se.html)


5. Illinois Senate, SB 2165, March 25, 2004, vote 20 and May 25, 2004, vote 3.


6. "Fact Check: No News In Obama's Consistent Record." Obama '08, December 11, 2007. ( http://www.barackobama.com/factcheck/20 ... amas_c.php )


7. "Candidates' gun control positions may figure in Pa. vote," Pittsburgh Tribune-Review, Wednesday, April 2, 2008, and "Keyes, Obama Are Far Apart On Guns," Chicago Tribune, 9/15/04. ( http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsbu ... 60181.html)


8. 1998 Joyce Foundation Annual Report, p. 7.


9. "Obama and Gun Control," The Volokh Conspiracy, taken from the Chicago Defender, Dec. 13, 1999. ( http://www.volokh.com/posts/1203389334.shtml)


10. Illinois Senate, May 5, 2002, SB 1936 Con., vote 26.


11. Illinois Senate, March 25, 2003, SB 2163, vote 18.


12. "Clinton, Edwards, Obama on gun control," Radio Iowa, Sunday, April 22, 2007. ( http://learfield.typepad.com/radioiowa/ ... wards.html)


13. Chicago Tribune blogs, "Barack Obama: NIU Shootings call for action," February 15, 2008, ( http://blogs.trb.com/news/politics/blog ... shoot.html )


14. Barack Obama campaign website: "As president, Barack Obama would repeal the Tiahrt Amendment . . ." ( http://www.barackobama.com/issues/urban ... nforcement. )


15. Illinois Senate Debate #3: Barack Obama vs. Alan Keyes ( http://www.ontheissues.org/2008/Barack_ ... ontrol.htm and http://www.ontheissues.org/IL_2004_Senate_3rd.htm) Oct 21, 2004.


16. Illinois Senate, May 16, 2003, HB 2579, vote 34.


17. United States Senate vote 245, September 29, 2005 and vote 2, January 31, 2006 and Saddleback Forum, August 16, 2008.


18. Illinois Senate Judiciary Committee, March 13, 2003. To see the vote tally go to: http://www.nrapvf.org/Media/pdf/sb1195_obama.pdf.


Paul (Shlomo) Helinski

GunsAmerica

Where America Buys and Sells Guns.

http://www.gunsamerica.com



This is an official GunsAmerica Email Notification.
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The majority has spoken and they shouldn't cry after the silver has melted away from the silver tongue of the politician they've put into office. As well as the liberal congress they've elected.

Oh yeah ~ To call us Extremists, I don't think describes us quite accurately.
I THINK REALISTS WOULD BE MORE ACCURATE!

God Bless America, Please!!

[Cold Track]

BHP don't sweat Larry, if he's commenting in on a post most of the time he's stirring the pot and spewing ignorrance.

[larry]

Coldtrack, why don't you go sign up to be a chior boy in the catholic church.

BHP, your concerns about children rest on the abilities of parents, not our president, and yes, I am one.

Irv, is sensical a word???? you crack me up I;m pickin up what you are layin down and those things are a cause for concern, but, lets see what happens and go from there. Seems like you are the only one posting here with a sensible attitude and not trying to cause mass hysteria.

[Farmhand]

Oh, come on, Larry, admit it. You do like to stir the pot, don't you? Not saying that is a totally bad thing because at times it can be thought provoking. However, a stab at religion kinda isn't nice. Rather than beat around the subject, I'm taking Tessa's side on this one. I, too, am Catholic and proud of it no matter whether I'm poked, stabbed, and prodded about it. I've also been in education for a number of years. If you heard some of the things that issue from the mouths of the common high school students today, you'd find religion, too. I was also lucky enough to do a study on the choir/altar boy thing that you attempted to use to your credit twice now. Findings are that it has happened, no doubt, but a larger percentage of allegations have been found to be unsubstantiated. I also conducted a survey of female inmates at a correctional facility recently. Of the women surveyed, 80% had been sexually abused as minors, 60% by a family member, 0 by a Catholic priest. Sounds like it's alot more dangerous to go home than to church, doesn't it? I think that also points to the decline in moral fiber Tessa spoke about. This is a common thing and these molesters also vote. Now, I don't want this thread to go to the cage because it doesn't belong there. Someone said you were an ass. I would take offense to that if I were you, no doubt. The word ignorant was also used. I would NOT take offense to that because in some cases "ignorant" can be a compliment. No kidding, look'er up in the dictionary. It doesn't mean there is something wrong with you, just that you may be misinformed or uninformed. That, thankfully has a cure. Above, please find statistics that show Tessa is right. No hard feelings, OK Larry. I'm not trying to bust your stones here, just point out false logic.

[Plott Proud]

Sensical, sensible, whichever you wish. You get the jist of it. Let's try not get super techinical. I'll have to walk.

GOD BLESS AMERICA!!

[sow flat slim]

Well I guess I am one of them extremists. Lets see- extremist- I know the Lord Jesus Christ, I fear someone who has a record of trying to disarm the People, who wants to take money from one and give it to someone else, who has shown bad judgement of the people and organizations He has associations with,is tied up with the animal rights groups that put animals above people, and has the agenda of stopping any human use of animals, who has said he will possibly cut the Military by who knows what, and has absolutely no problem with babies being murdered(abortion) and seems not to have any problem dismissing people who do not think like he does, seems to think that more government intrusion is the answer to most problems, will not even try to uphold some of the laws that are in place(illegal immigration as an example). Now BO is not the only politician that has done this, but He was just elected so He is the one to worry about, especially since the house and senate and the media will be backing him. Wow,I am an extremist.

[briarpatch]

Well Larry, sensical is not a word, but nonsensical certainly is so perhaps it would be applicable to some portions of your posts.

I am being "tacky"-----mean no offense.

briarpatch

[kb]

If I was not so dang old I would move to Canada, But you are right it will never be the same.

you ain't gotta move there. we'll be just like'em before long.

[Ike]

roflmao, And with Obama's spread the wealth idealogy maybe will be able to buy a resident bear tag in Canada after we become just like them?

ike

[bigcat]

Why is every african country partying in the streets? Why is every democratic leader in the house and senate looking so smug? I will tell you why...because they pulled off one of the greatest frauds of all time.

And now they have contol over two of the three branchs of government, for now! Two supreme court justices are set to retire during baracks first term, and soon they will have control over all three branchs of our government.
If you are not scared or at the least very concerned you are driving with ur eyes closed, and you will never see , what they are about to do, coming.

All you can really do is sit here and take it, cause the republicans have done this to us. they have over spent, put us into debt, sent jobs over seas. Our party has been our own worst enemy. Where are the Reagan conservatives, and what has happened to my party.

I really feel like it is time for a strong conservative third party. I jus hope it can materialize in time to save what was once a great country, concerned first and foremost about its own citizens and the rest of the world secondly.

[larry]

Well I guess I am one of them extremists. Lets see- extremist- I know the Lord Jesus Christ, I fear someone who has a record of trying to disarm the People, who wants to take money from one and give it to someone else, who has shown bad judgement of the people and organizations He has associations with,is tied up with the animal rights groups that put animals above people, and has the agenda of stopping any human use of animals, who has said he will possibly cut the Military by who knows what, and has absolutely no problem with babies being murdered(abortion) and seems not to have any problem dismissing people who do not think like he does, seems to think that more government intrusion is the answer to most problems, will not even try to uphold some of the laws that are in place(illegal immigration as an example). Now BO is not the only politician that has done this, but He was just elected so He is the one to worry about, especially since the house and senate and the media will be backing him. Wow,I am an extremist.

I personally think that anyone that believes that they know what is best for others could definately be called an extremist, like abortion for example...Hmmm lets think about this one, you are complaining about gov. intrusion! Well I for one am glad that the Gov. is not going to be able to obscenely intrude on americans rights to make their own choices, seems like that is less intrusion to me. You don't want to loose your guns or hunting or way of life, but it is ok for the gov. to tell others that they have no choice on abortion because you seem to think it is bad. Think about that for a minute, lots of people LIKE YOU seem to think guns and hunting are bad and want that right taken away. Maybe guns and hunting are not for them, how about you??? How would you like to be you dressed in anti gun/hunting clothing??? How is what they believe in different from what you do??? You both think you are doing the world a great justice instead of worrying about you and yours and letting averyone else do the same. America is not about forcing your own personal beleifs on others. Maybe you are perfect in every way and feel that you do have the right to tell others what is best for them, but i doubt it.

[larry]

Why is every african country partying in the streets? Why is every democratic leader in the house and senate looking so smug? I will tell you why...because they pulled off one of the greatest frauds of all time.

And now they have contol over two of the three branchs of government, for now! Two supreme court justices are set to retire during baracks first term, and soon they will have control over all three branchs of our government.
If you are not scared or at the least very concerned you are driving with ur eyes closed, and you will never see , what they are about to do, coming.

All you can really do is sit here and take it, cause the republicans have done this to us. they have over spent, put us into debt, sent jobs over seas. Our party has been our own worst enemy. Where are the Reagan conservatives, and what has happened to my party.

I really feel like it is time for a strong conservative third party. I jus hope it can materialize in time to save what was once a great country, concerned first and foremost about its own citizens and the rest of the world secondly.

I agree, a third party is definately in order, we were gonna be screwed either way, the question is which is the less of two evils. I am a Republican, but am disgusted by the die hard Repub's that can't take their blinders off.

[Vance M.]

%75 of Republicans are full of bs and are really democrats with a republican title. The only good I can see in this is that this will shake up the republican party and they will realize that they have to start reverting back to their conservative values to be in office. These fakes like Mccain and Bush are not going to cut it any more.

I am very scared of this new president. I am a carpenter that works on commercial buildings to make a living. Obama threatens to hurt the big company's that pay me and allows me to feed my family. The only hope I have is that he is going to be so radical that he will only be in there for one term, then we might be able to get a REAL conservative republican in the white house.